Baby Farming, Victorian Crimes & Wives for Sale: Strange Victorian History
Tonight's Episode
Step into the dark and bizarre world of Victorian England in this episode of The Strange History Podcast. Host Amy explores unsettling stories of baby farming, where unwed mothers handed their babies over to sinister caretakers with tragic consequences.Discover the shocking case of Maria de Roux and Frederick George Manning, whose murder case scandalized London, and the curious history of husbands auctioning their wives like livestock. Plus, dive into the mystery of Sir Roger Tichbourne and the strange punishments handed down by the Victorians for even the smallest of crimes. From mistaken identities to murder most foul, these tales will leave you questioning what was really happening behind the closed doors of Victorian society.
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Speaker 1: Hey, they're Strange History lovers. Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of the Strange History Podcast, where we dig into the bizarre,
Speaker 1: the macabre, and the downright odd corners of history. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Amy, and today, well, we're going to take
Speaker 1: a long, dark, and slightly creepy stroll through Victorian England,
Speaker 1: a time where society's love for innovation met a deep,
Speaker 1: sometimes disturbing sense of personal gain. Think of it as
Speaker 1: the Victorian eras version of keeping up with the Joneses,
Speaker 1: but with more babies, asylums, wife auctions, and a touch
Speaker 1: of questionable family values. We're going to be talking about
Speaker 1: baby farming. Yes, you heard me right, baby farming, a
Speaker 1: rather unfortunate business venture, and a few other little tidbits
Speaker 1: that are let's just say strange. Oh and as a
Speaker 1: special treat today, we'll also dive into some chilling true
Speaker 1: crime stories, including the case of Maria Derux and Frederick
Speaker 1: George Manning, one of the most shocking Victorian murder cases.
Speaker 1: But first, let's set the stage for a truly strange world,
Speaker 1: shall we.
Speaker 2: The shady business of baby farming.
Speaker 1: So you've just had a baby, maybe you're struggling with
Speaker 1: your finances, or perhaps you found yourself, let's say, in
Speaker 1: an unfortunate situation, what do you do? Well? In the
Speaker 1: Victorian era, you could always call up a baby farmer. Now,
Speaker 1: baby farming wasn't as cute as it sounds. This wasn't
Speaker 1: like sending your little one off to a charming farm
Speaker 1: to live out a happy, free range life. Oh no,
Speaker 1: my friends. Baby farming was a sinister practice where women
Speaker 1: sometimes men, would take in babies from unwed mothers, often
Speaker 1: in exchange for a little cash, and look after them.
Speaker 1: But here's where it gets dark. A lot of those
Speaker 1: babies ended up dead under mysterious circumstances. Sounds like a
Speaker 1: gruesome Victorian version of a petting zoo, doesn't it. One
Speaker 1: of the most notorious baby farmers was Amelia Dyer, a
Speaker 1: woman whose business was well, horribly profitable. She would take
Speaker 1: in babies for a fee, promise to raise them, and
Speaker 1: then well, let's just say, the babies didn't always get
Speaker 1: the love and care you might hope for. Some were suffocated,
Speaker 1: some were simply abandoned. Amelia Dyer allegedly took in hundreds
Speaker 1: of babies over her career. But as we all know,
Speaker 1: the more you do something the more likely it is
Speaker 1: that you're going to get caught. And when she was caught,
Speaker 1: it was a sensation. She was dubbed the Ogress of reading.
Speaker 1: A charming nickname, don't you think. And while that's one
Speaker 1: of the most extreme examples, baby farming was unfortunately a
Speaker 1: widespread practice. So you know, next time you're in the
Speaker 1: middle of some big life decision, like whether or not
Speaker 1: to get a pet or start a new hobby, just
Speaker 1: remember the Victorians were all about fire finding a market
Speaker 1: for anything, even babies.
Speaker 2: I'm committed. The lurid story of Victorian asylums.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dark corners of society, let's talk about Victorian
Speaker 1: lunatic asylums. AH asylums the place where you could find
Speaker 1: people committed for anything from legitimate mental illness to the
Speaker 1: fact that they weren't very good at knitting, or in
Speaker 1: some cases, for just being in the way of someone's
Speaker 1: inheritance for example. Did you know that during the Victorian
Speaker 1: era it wasn't too hard for someone to get committed
Speaker 1: to an asylum if you were a wife and your
Speaker 1: husband wasn't so fond of you anymore. All he needed
Speaker 1: was a letter to a physician and poof you were
Speaker 1: sent off to an asylum. Yes, there were definitely people
Speaker 1: with actual mental health issues locked away in these institutions,
Speaker 1: but there were also the poor, unfortunate souls who were
Speaker 1: sent to asylums as a form of social control, like
Speaker 1: the wife who just wouldn't shut up about the mud. Take,
Speaker 1: for instance, the case of Lydia Joyce, a woman whose
Speaker 1: husband wanted to inherit her fortune. One evening, he made
Speaker 1: a quick call to the doctor, claiming she was hysterical.
Speaker 1: A quick examination later, Lydia found herself in an asylum
Speaker 1: and he well, he found himself much richer. It's a
Speaker 1: real get rid of the wife and you get her
Speaker 1: assets kind of plot. The Victorians were real experts in
Speaker 1: the fine art of murder by paperwork.
Speaker 2: Wife auctions Victorian marital misadventures.
Speaker 1: All right, let's dive into another strange and I mean
Speaker 1: strange practice, husband's auctioning off their wives. Now you might
Speaker 1: be thinking, what kind of sick auction is this? And
Speaker 1: you'd be right to ask that. In the Victorian era,
Speaker 1: men were not only free to divorce their wives, a
Speaker 1: luxury that the wives didn't exactly have, but in certain
Speaker 1: instances they also had the option of selling them. Yes,
Speaker 1: it sounds like something out of a very dark comedy,
Speaker 1: but it was a thing. One of the most famous
Speaker 1: cases was that of John Green in eighteen sixty four, Green,
Speaker 1: a farmer from Nottinghamshire, became so fed up with his
Speaker 1: wife that he decided to auction her off like cattle
Speaker 1: at a public sale. According to the reports, he went
Speaker 1: so far as to advertise in local papers to be
Speaker 1: sold a wife age thirty, good for washing, cooking and
Speaker 1: making the home presentable, no guarantees about personality. He auctioned
Speaker 1: her off to the highest bidder for the sum of
Speaker 1: five pounds, which was just a little more than a
Speaker 1: week's wages for many men at the time. This wasn't
Speaker 1: entirely out of the ordinary. If a wife was truly
Speaker 1: unruly according to the husband's standards, it was not completely
Speaker 1: unheard of for her to be sold or traded away,
Speaker 1: sometimes in exchange for a debt or as part of
Speaker 1: some bizarre marital arrangement. The most infamous auction, though, was
Speaker 1: probably that of Elizabeth Taylor. Not that Elizabeth Taylor, mind you,
Speaker 1: the Victorian one. In eighteen seventy two, her husband, after
Speaker 1: growing tired of her nagging decided to auction her off
Speaker 1: in front of a crowd, selling her to the highest bidder,
Speaker 1: who was a local businessman. Interestingly, she didn't seem to
Speaker 1: mind too much. She ended up enjoying the new life
Speaker 1: she found with her new owner, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: was rumored to have offered her much more comfort than
Speaker 1: her previous husband. As awful as it sounds, wife auctions
Speaker 1: were bizarrely seen as a legal form of divorce for
Speaker 1: some couples in the Victorian era. Thankfully, the practice fell
Speaker 1: out of favor as the concept of marriage and women's
Speaker 1: rights started to evolve. But hey, if you think your
Speaker 1: relationship is on the rocks, at least you don't have
Speaker 1: to go through the hassle of auctioning yourself off. It's
Speaker 1: almost like the Victorian version of eBay, but for wives.
Speaker 2: Maria Deru and Frederick George Manning a Victorian tragedy.
Speaker 1: Speaking of chilling true crime, let's turn to a shocking
Speaker 1: Victorian murder case that still sends shivers down your spine.
Speaker 1: It's the story of Maria Derux and Frederick George Manning,
Speaker 1: a tragic tale that involves love, betrayal, and a murder
Speaker 1: so brutal it became a sensation in the London press.
Speaker 1: In eighteen forty nine, Maria Derux, a young woman who
Speaker 1: had previously been in a relationship with a man named
Speaker 1: Frederick George Manning, was found dead in her apartment under
Speaker 1: horrific circumstances. She had been brutally murdered by none other
Speaker 1: than Frederick himself, along with his wife, Susan Manning. But
Speaker 1: the plot thickens. It wasn't just a crime of passion.
Speaker 1: This murder was part of a conspiracy. Maria had been
Speaker 1: a wealthy woman, and Frederick and his wife had, it seems,
Speaker 1: planned to kill her in order to get their hands
Speaker 1: on her money. But here's the kicker. Not only did
Speaker 1: Frederick and Susan Manning murder Maria, they buried her body
Speaker 1: under their floorboards. Yes, you heard that right. They went
Speaker 1: full Victorian horror story with this one. What makes the
Speaker 1: story even darker is how the crime was discovered. Frederick
Speaker 1: and Susan Manning's attempt to cover up the murder fell
Speaker 1: apart when rumors spread and they were eventually arrested. The
Speaker 1: press had a field day with the gruesome details, and
Speaker 1: it became one of the most sensational trials of the time.
Speaker 1: At their trial, Frederick George Manning was found guilty and
Speaker 1: sentenced to hang, while his wife Susan was also convicted.
Speaker 1: It was a shocking example of Victorian crime and how
Speaker 1: a tale of betrayal and greed could lead to such
Speaker 1: tragic ends.
Speaker 2: The Tickborne claimant a case of mistaken identity? Or was it?
Speaker 1: Now? We all know the Victorians loved a good case
Speaker 1: of mistaken identity, but the story of Sir Roger Titchborne
Speaker 1: takes the cake, and probably a few tea biscuits too.
Speaker 1: In the eighteen fifties, Sir Roger Tickburn, an English baronet,
Speaker 1: went missing at sea. His family mourned, and life went
Speaker 1: on until in eighteen sixty six a man named Arthur
Speaker 1: Orton showed up claiming to be Sir Roger himself. Orton,
Speaker 1: a butcher from Australia, said he had been shipwrecked and
Speaker 1: had amnesia. Naturally, he didn't remember the small detail of
Speaker 1: being a butcher, and the family didn't seem to notice
Speaker 1: that their long lost baronet now looked like he'd been
Speaker 1: eating a little too much butcher's meat. But Orton's claim
Speaker 1: gained traction. He was remarkably good at convincing people, and
Speaker 1: for a while he lived the high life as the
Speaker 1: Tichborn heir until the truth came out. It turned out
Speaker 1: that he wasn't Roger Titchborne at all. Who would have thought.
Speaker 1: The trial was a sensation, a mix of slapstick comedy
Speaker 1: and courtroom drama. The public debated whether or not this
Speaker 1: man was a fraud. Spoiler alert, he was in fact
Speaker 1: a fraud. Arthur Orton was eventually convicted of perjury, and
Speaker 1: the real Tickborne's identity was never conclusively confirmed. In the end,
Speaker 1: it's probably safe to say never trust a butcher claiming
Speaker 1: to be a baronet. Just a little Victorian wisdom for you.
Speaker 2: Victorian punishments for crimes more than just a trip to
Speaker 2: the stocks.
Speaker 1: Now, no discussion of Victorian oddities would be complete without
Speaker 1: taking a look at some of the truly creative ways
Speaker 1: that criminals were punished Back then. The Victorians had some
Speaker 1: wild ideas when it came to justice. There was the traditional,
Speaker 1: of course, the stocks, public hangings and all that, but
Speaker 1: there were also new and innovative ways to punish wrongdoers.
Speaker 1: For example, if you were caught stealing, you might be
Speaker 1: forced to wear a Scolds bridle. This was basically a
Speaker 1: metal mask that covered your face, complete with a spy
Speaker 1: that would sit in your mouth to prevent you from speaking.
Speaker 1: It was like the world's most terrifying dental device. Got
Speaker 1: a lot to say, Too bad was the sentiment, and
Speaker 1: if you were particularly unlucky, you could be sent to
Speaker 1: the infamous Newgate Prison, where the rich and poor mingled,
Speaker 1: only the poor came out much worse off. There was
Speaker 1: also transportation, which sounds like an option you'd pick on
Speaker 1: a flight, but no transportation in the Victorian era was
Speaker 1: actually sending criminals to places like Australia where they could
Speaker 1: spend years building roads or being subjected to the lovely
Speaker 1: heat of the Australian outback. Victorian punishments, much like their fashions,
Speaker 1: were full of flare, a little over the top, and
Speaker 1: definitely not something you'd want to experience. Well, there you
Speaker 1: have it, folks, another stroll through the strange, dark and
Speaker 1: sometimes absurd world of the Victorians. Baby farmers, mistaken identities,
Speaker 1: wife auctions, and true crime tales of betrayal and horror. Truly,
Speaker 1: the Victorian era was a time when things were complicated.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed today's strange journey, and as always,
Speaker 1: if you ever find yourself in need of a business idea,
Speaker 1: I suggest sticking with something a little less sinister than
Speaker 1: baby farming. Maybe knitting. I hear it's a good hobby.
Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review. Tell your friends, family,
Speaker 1: and coworker so they too can learn a lot of
Speaker 1: weird history that may or may not help them out
Speaker 1: in trivia games or as awkward conversation starters at parties.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time, where
Speaker 1: we'll dig into another bizarre tale from history. Until then,
Speaker 1: stay strange. I'm committed the lurid story of Victorian asylums.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dark corners of society, let's talk about Victorian
Speaker 1: lunatic asylums. A asylums the place where you could find
Speaker 1: people committed for anything from legitimate mental illness to the
Speaker 1: fact that they weren't very good at knitting, or in
Speaker 1: some cases, for just being in the way of someone's inheritance.
Speaker 1: For example, did you know that during the Victorian era
Speaker 1: it wasn't too hard for someone to get committed to
Speaker 1: an asylum if you were a wife and your husband
Speaker 1: wasn't so fond of you anymore. All he needed was
Speaker 1: a letter to a physician, and poof, you were sent
Speaker 1: off to an asylum. Yes, there were definitely people with
Speaker 1: actual mental health issues locked away in these institutions, but
Speaker 1: there were also the poor, unfortunate souls who were sent
Speaker 1: to asylums as a form of social control, like the
Speaker 1: wife who just wouldn't shut up about the money. Take,
Speaker 1: for instance, the case of Lydia Joyce, a woman whose
Speaker 1: husband wanted to inherit her fortune. One evening, he made
Speaker 1: a quick call to the doctor, claiming she was hysterical
Speaker 1: bick examination. Later, Lydia found herself in an asylum and he, well,
Speaker 1: he found himself much richer. It's a real get rid
Speaker 1: of the wife and you get her assets kind of plot.
Speaker 1: The Victorians were real experts in the fine art of
Speaker 1: murder by paperwork. Wife auctions Victorian marital misadventures. All right,
Speaker 1: let's dive into another strange and I mean strange practice,
Speaker 1: husband's auctioning off their wives. Now you might be thinking,
Speaker 1: what kind of sick auction is this? And you'd be
Speaker 1: right to ask that. In the Victorian era, men were
Speaker 1: not only free to divorce, their wives, a luxury that
Speaker 1: the wives didn't exactly have, but in certain instances they
Speaker 1: also had the option of selling them. Yes, it sounds
Speaker 1: like something out of a very dark comedy, but it
Speaker 1: was a thing. One of the most famous cases was
Speaker 1: that of John Green in eighteen sixty four, Green, a
Speaker 1: farmer from Nottinghamshire, became so fed up with his wife
Speaker 1: that he decided to auction her off like cattle at
Speaker 1: a public sale. According to the reports, he went so
Speaker 1: far as to advertise in local papers to be sold
Speaker 1: a wife aged thirty, good for washing, cooking and making
Speaker 1: the home presentable, no guarantees about personality. He auctioned her
Speaker 1: off to the highest bidder for the sum of five pounds,
Speaker 1: which was just a little more than a week's wages
Speaker 1: for many men at the time. This wasn't entirely out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary. If a wife was truly unruly according
Speaker 1: to the husband's standards, it was not completely unheard of
Speaker 1: for her to be sold or traded away, sometimes in
Speaker 1: exchange for a debt or as part of some bizarre
Speaker 1: marital arrangement. The most infamous auction, though, was probably that
Speaker 1: of Elizabeth Taylor. Not that Elizabeth Taylor mind you, the
Speaker 1: Victorian one. In eighteen seventy two, her husband, after growing
Speaker 1: tired of her nagging, decided to auction her off in
Speaker 1: front of a crowd, selling her to the highest bidder,
Speaker 1: who was a local businessman. Interestingly, she didn't seem to
Speaker 1: mind too much. She ended up enjoying the new life
Speaker 1: she found with her new owner, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: was rumored to have offered her much more comfort than
Speaker 1: her previous husband. As awful as it sounds, wife auctions
Speaker 1: were bizarrely seen as a legal form of divorce for
Speaker 1: some couples in the Victorian era. Thankfully, the practice fell
Speaker 1: out of favor as the concept of marriage and women's
Speaker 1: rights started to evolve. But hey, if you think your
Speaker 1: relationship is on the rocks, at least you don't have
Speaker 1: to go through the hassle of auctioning yourself off. It's
Speaker 1: almost like the Victorian version of eBay, but for wives.
Speaker 1: Maria Deruz and Frederick George Manning a Victorian tragedy. Speaking
Speaker 1: of chilling true crime, let's turn to a shocking Victorian
Speaker 1: murder case that still sends shivers down your spine. It's
Speaker 1: the story of Maria Derux and Frederick George Manning, a
Speaker 1: tragic tale that involves love, betrayal and a murder so
Speaker 1: brutal it became a sensation in the London press. In
Speaker 1: eighteen forty nine, Maria Derux, a young woman who had
Speaker 1: previously been in a relationship with a man named Frederick
Speaker 1: George Manning, was found dead in her apartment under horrific circumstances.
Speaker 1: She had been brutally murdered by none other than Frederick himself,
Speaker 1: along with his wife, Susan Manning. But the plot thickens.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a crime of passion. This murder was
Speaker 1: part of a conspiracy. Maria had been a wealthy woman,
Speaker 1: and Frederick and his wife had, it seems, planned to
Speaker 1: kill her in order to get their hands on her money.
Speaker 1: But here's the kicker. Not only did Frederick and Susan
Speaker 1: Manning murder Maria, they buried her body under their floorboards. Yes,
Speaker 1: you heard that right. They went full Victorian horror story
Speaker 1: with this one. What makes the story even dark is
Speaker 1: how the crime was discovered. Frederick and Susan Manning's attempt
Speaker 1: to cover up the murder fell apart when rumors spread,
Speaker 1: and they were eventually arrested The press had a field
Speaker 1: day with the gruesome details, and it became one of
Speaker 1: the most sensational trials of the time. At their trial,
Speaker 1: Frederick George Manning was found guilty and sentenced to hang,
Speaker 1: while his wife Susan was also convicted. It was a
Speaker 1: shocking example of Victorian crime and how a tale of
Speaker 1: betrayal and greed could lead to such tragic ends. The
Speaker 1: Titchborne claimant a case of mistaken identity or was it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: We all know the Victorians loved a good case of
Speaker 1: mistaken identity, but the story of Sir Roger Titchborne takes
Speaker 1: the cake, and probably a few tea biscuits too. In
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties, Sir Roger Titchborne, an English baronet, went
Speaker 1: missing at sea. His family mourned, and life went on
Speaker 1: until in eighteen sixty six a man named Arthur Orton
Speaker 1: showed up claiming to be Sir Roger himself. Orton, a
Speaker 1: butcher from Australia, said he had been shipwrecked and had amnesia. Naturally,
Speaker 1: he didn't remember the small detail of being a butcher,
Speaker 1: and the family didn't seem to notice that their long
Speaker 1: lost baronet now looked like he'd been eating a little
Speaker 1: too much butcher's meat, but Orton's claim gained traction. He
Speaker 1: was remarkably good at convincing people, and for a while
Speaker 1: he lived the high life as the tickborn heir until
Speaker 1: the truth came out. It turned out that he wasn't
Speaker 1: Roger Titchborne at all. Who would have thought? The trial
Speaker 1: was a sensation, a mix of slapstick comedy and courtroom
Speaker 1: drama as the public debated whether or not this man
Speaker 1: was a fraud. Spoiler alert, he was in fact a fraud.
Speaker 1: Arthur Orton was eventually convicted of perjury, and the real
Speaker 1: Titchborne's identity was never conclusively confirmed. In the end, it's
Speaker 1: probably safe to say never trust a butcher claiming to
Speaker 1: be a baronet. Just a little Victorian wisdom for you.
Speaker 1: Victorian punishments for crimes more than just a trip to
Speaker 1: the stocks. Now, no discussion of Victorian oddities would be
Speaker 1: complete without taking a look at some of the truly
Speaker 1: creative ways that criminals were punished Back then. The Victorians
Speaker 1: had some wild ideas when it came to justice. There
Speaker 1: was the traditional, of course, the stocks, public hangings and
Speaker 1: all that, but there were also new and innovative ways
Speaker 1: to punish wrongdoers. For example, if you were caught stealing,
Speaker 1: you might be forced to wear a skold's bridle. This
Speaker 1: was basically a metal mask that covered your face, complete
Speaker 1: with a spike that would sit in your mouth to
Speaker 1: prevent you from speaking. It was like the world's most
Speaker 1: terrifying dental device. Got a lot to say, Too bad
Speaker 1: was the sentiment, and if you were particularly unlucky, you
Speaker 1: could be sent to the infamous news Gate prison, where
Speaker 1: the rich and poor mingled, only the poor came out
Speaker 1: much worse off. There was also transportation, which sounds like
Speaker 1: an option you'd pick on a flight, but no transportation
Speaker 1: in the Victorian era was actually sending criminals to places
Speaker 1: like Australia, where they could spend years building roads or
Speaker 1: being subjected to the lovely heat of the Australian outback.
Speaker 1: Victorian punishments, much like their fashions, were full of flare,
Speaker 1: a little over the top, and definitely not something you'd
Speaker 1: want to experience. Well, there you have it, folks, another
Speaker 1: stroll through the strange, dark and sometimes absurd world of
Speaker 1: the Victorians. Baby farmers, mistaken identities, wife auctions, and true
Speaker 1: crime tales. Of betrayal and horror. Truly, the Victorian era
Speaker 1: was a time when things were complicated. I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed today's strange journey, and as always, if you ever
Speaker 1: find yourself in need of a business idea, I suggest
Speaker 1: sticking with something a little less sinister than baby farming.
Speaker 1: Maybe knitting. I hear it's a good hobby. Don't forget
Speaker 1: to subscribe, like leave a review. Tell your friends, family,
Speaker 1: and coworkers so they too can learn a lot of
Speaker 1: weird history that may or may not help them out
Speaker 1: in trivia games or as awkward conversation starters at parties.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time, where
Speaker 1: we'll dig into another bizarre tale from history. Until then,
Speaker 1: stay strange.
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